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Taylor:
I realize when I’m working with other people I am so considerate in deadlines. I am so thoughtful in how I approach things. I’m really mindful of people’s workloads. And if I’m not extending that same consideration to myself, then I should just close shop and go work for someone else who will treat me better than the way that I’m treating myself.
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Alida:
Welcome to the Care Work podcast. I’m your host Alida Miranda-Wolff and for the last ten years as a diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging practitioner I’ve focused on providing care to other people for a living. This is a podcast about people like me, care workers. I explore with a host of guests what it means to offer care and to take care of ourselves in the process.
Taylor:
Taylor Elyse Morrison is a founder, facilitator, and coach developing leaders who care. Taylor spends her days leading her companies Inner Workout and Gateway Coaching, hosting the Inner Warm-Up podcast, and facilitating transformational experiences in partnership with Google and Franklin Covey. Taylor has a degree in Human and Organizational Development with a focus in Leadership and Organizational Effectiveness from Vanderbilt. She is a trained coach, yoga instructor, and mindfulness and meditation instructor working towards a world without pronouns. In today’s conversation Taylor breaks down what it takes to do the inner work, including understanding what burn out is and how to honor the five dimensions of well-being. Taylor also talks about her latest project – The Process Report, which documents the process behind running a business along with writing a book. We end the conversation digging into her new book Inner Workout.
Alida:
Welcome Taylor! I am so excited to have you on the Care Work podcast. For listeners I want to share that I have known Taylor now for the last four years and during that time Taylor has had a profound effect on me as a friend and as colleague and practitioner. I will say that with attribution one of the things that shows up from Taylor and her work the most in my work as a DEIB practitioner is the definition of self-care. And in some form or another I’m always saying self-care is about listening within and responding in the most loving way possible. It completely changed my relationship to self-care and the work that she has done has influenced me so much so that before we even started recording, I was showing her the card deck that we use on our team and talking about the workbook that she made with Bando that I am about to start for myself. So Taylor, I am so happy to have you on today. Welcome!
Taylor:
Thank you so much for having me. And when you said four years I was…it makes sense when you said it’s four years, but time just flies by. So, yes. I’ve had the pleasure of knowing you for four years as well and thank you for the kind words and for having me.
Alida:
Absolutely! Well, when I decided to put together a podcast called Care Work you were the first person I thought of exactly because of that definition of self-care and how much it shows up for me in my life, and I just think it’s such a beautiful and poignant definition. And before we do formal intros and go through your whole history I want to ask: How did you arrive at that definition?
Taylor:
It’s interesting because the story of me arriving at that definition really parallels the story of my own relationship to self-care. So, when I first started talking about self-care I was in this place where I was battling burn out and it was having a lot of physical manifestations. And so my initial definition was that I needed to listen to my body. Self-care was listening to my body and responding in the most loving way possible. And through a yoga teacher training that I did where I was introduced to the coaches which eventually informed the five dimensions of well-being that I work with through Inner Workout, I realized there was so much more for me to listen to and to be in conversation with than only my body. And so, when I expanded to listening within, I learned that my emotions have things to share with me. And yes, my body does speak to me and there are all these other aspects that I can be tuning into, so it’s been a journey.
Alida:
And I think it’s worth pointing out that throughout your career you’ve made some really interesting choices and turns that have ultimately led to you having to do that deep reflection because as you mentioned you are not coming at this as someone who has never experienced burn-out, or who has had all the answers from the very beginning. I think one of the reasons that your podcast Inner Warm Up and all of the content that you produce resonates with people is because you are coming from a really down-to-earth and authentic place. And so, starting out your career at All State and then moving into a fitness, wellness and well-being start-up, and then working on your own project starting your own businesses. Can you talk a little more about what it has meant for you to take care of yourself as you’ve made those different pivots?
Taylor:
Yeah. I am someone who has always been a high achiever and really values autonomy and so I’ve known for a really long time that entrepreneurship was the path that I wanted. I think I expected at the beginning of my career to spend more time in corporate or in start-ups building there. And what I realized was that the way that my brain works, I’m also recently diagnosed with ADHD. I like to have a lot of things going on in order to stimulate myself, but if I’m not careful and if I don’t have enough control over my environment, it is very easy for me to lean towards burn-out. So, when I look back now, I see that the life that I have built for myself today that involves running multiple businesses that have overlap in them and are all really rooted in personal development and well-being, I created this life for myself really as a means to cope with my ADHD. And I think that I had to get out of environments where I was working for other people and had less say because I need to have multiple interests in order to be able to thrive. But unfortunately, the way that many workplaces are set up, they can expect for that to be your whole life and I am not a person who can have one thing be my whole life.
Alida:
That resonates with me so much and also the drive towards flexibility. I remember reading an interview with you where you talked about being the kind of entrepreneur who can just take a bath in the middle of the day. And not feel shame or guilt about it, but also have the kind of day that would allow for that to happen. And so, I’m wondering if you could talk a little bit more about what has allowed you to be that kind of entrepreneur, both in terms of the self-work that you’ve done but also logistically, how do you run successful businesses that still allow for you to take that time for yourself?
Taylor:
I’m chuckling because transparency is very important to me and so, I love to share that yes, I will take a nap or a bath in the middle of the day, especially this time of year where it’s not quite cold enough to put the heat on, but it is chillier than usual, and so it feels really nice to take a bath in the middle of the day when I’m working from home. But there are also times where I am doing some work on the weekend and I’m constantly managing. That’s where that idea of listening within and responding in the most loving way possible is so important to me because if I was only working from a very rule-based, really dogmatic place, there would be a binary of working on the weekends always bad, or taking a bath during the day, always good. And that’s not true. So, first it’s really allowing myself and creating space to listen to what I need in the moment, which sometimes means shifting my schedule. I love time-blocking during the week. Every quarter, every month I have priorities and I make sure that there is time on my schedule to attend to those priorities and also, I’m a person who has a uterus, and sometimes I have cramps or sometimes occasionally I have migraines. Things happen that I cannot expect, so I also have to have the grace to make shifts. From a really tactical, logistical perspective I do time block on my calendar. I have been pretty good at having a no meeting day every week so that I can get into deep work because a lot of my job is coaching, is facilitating, is very others-focused and others-interacting work, and so I try to make sure that I have at least one day a week where I can be with myself, where I can be working as they say on the business rather than in the business, or just doing deep work that’s not being interrupted by meetings every thirty minutes. So, those are some of the things that help me, and I’m not perfect at it but a question or a thought that I return to often is: “Am I being a good boss to myself?” I realize when I’m working with other people, I am so considerate in deadlines. I am so thoughtful in how I approach things. I am really mindful of people’s workloads. And if I’m not extending that same consideration to myself, then I should just close up shop and go work for someone else who will treat me better than the way than I’m treating myself. So that is something I will return to if I’m feeling particularly stressed is: “Okay, where are you not being a good boss to yourself Taylor?”
Alida:
That is such a brilliant technique that I will be taking and using on myself. I have done a version of this before. So, like you I’m also a coach although I do significantly less coaching now in my general practice. But there was a period of time where I had anywhere from fifteen to thirty different coaching clients, and I would just have meeting after meeting after meeting in a week. And one of the things that I would do with them was, I would have them write their ideal job description and then compare it with the job description that they actually had, and then compare that with the job they were doing. Because the three would always be different. So, what they were hired to do wouldn’t look like what they were actually doing, wouldn’t look like what they wanted to be doing in a lot of cases, and then we would make adjustments and look at how to move forward. And I’ve done a similar exercise with myself, and as a result I think what has happened is I have felt very aligned to the work I’m doing, and I have this moment of calibration and recalibration where I can say: “I like the work I’m doing. It’s meaningful work, it’s the work I should be doing”. But what I’m hearing in your exercise is: “How am I treating myself?” Which is not actually something that I spend a lot of time thinking about, especially because I have so many employees now where my top priority and concern is how they are feeling without of course, thinking about the whole now cliché phrase of the oxygen mask. So, I love that idea and it sparked a bunch of questions for me that I think could be helpful in laying the foundation for this conversation. And I think it might be worthwhile to go into some definitions. So, how do you define burn out?
Taylor:
That’s a great question. So, in my book when I talk about burn out I reference the clinical definition of burn out and as I’m sure you know, it really started with people who were doing care work with nurses and that emotional exhaustion and physical exhaustion that can happen. What I have realized for myself is that when I am, and it’s interesting that you brought up connection, when I am in the place that is burned out or on the road to burn out there is always some type of disconnection typically with myself and my values. So, that’s not a clear definition of burn out but that for me is a clear marker. The way that shows up is I’m just less excited. I’m a person who brings a lot of passion and excitement to things, but I’m less excited, I’m tired all the time. It feels like I’m having a bad day and I’m saying that I’m having a bad day really regularly, those are all markers for me that I am on the path for burn out and the underlying symptom for that is there is something that is a disconnect.
Alida:
It reminds me of in mindful eating there is a practice of if every bite is tasting less good as you eat it, you’ve eaten too much, and that is it’s time to stop eating cue. And in what I’m hearing from you with burn out, the signal is – “Am I feeling cranky? Am I feeling tired? Am I am feeling not excited?” And the more that I see that piling up, the more it’s an indicator that it’s time to stop.
Taylor:
Right now I’m in conversation with multiple clients who are navigating what is next in their career, and it goes back to that connection, that clarifying what they actually want, what is important to them because there are so many things that we are sold. We should want the higher job title, we should want the more money, and kind of like what you were saying for mindful eating. I mean, there is a research after a certain point, the money actually does not make that much of a difference in how you feel in terms of satisfaction. So, it’s a lot of clarifying for them, what is important to them, what are the norms that they would like to set, how are they caring for themselves. And in some cases, what is their next step beyond their current situation, if the current situation is untenable. From the business perspective, depending on the audience that I’m talking to, if I’m talking to individual contributors, it’s a lot of tools, skill sets, what conversations you can have. If we are looking at people who are people leaders, it’s oftentimes a reminder to them that what they do makes a difference. I find that a lot of managers forget that people see them differently, but if they do something offhand like they happen to be up in the middle of the night and they send an email at 2:00 am that they could have scheduled to go out at 8:00 a.m. and then now people think that that is an expectation, that they are often able to respond. And in their mind they just happen to be up and sent the email while it was on their mind. Or people who are people leaders and forget that there is a power dynamic and they can say something that sets the standard even really off-hand and off the cuff. So, I am constantly reminding that they are in a position of power, that their actions do have consequences, even the ones that they think are very: “Oh, I’m just being one of the fellow employees. It can have a consequence, it can set a standard that isn’t one that they would like to be setting. And then you can get so much more into what structurally can we do, but a lot of the conversations that I’m having right now are either the individual locus of control for the individual contributor or with the managers what is within their locus of control without having to do a heavy organizational influencing.
Alida:
When you think about your path, and I’m going back a little bit, but I promise it’s related. What I think it’s interesting and I’d like to hear your take on it is you came to all of this self-care work and then became a care worker yourself. So, going back to your example around nurses and burn out, you are the self-care expert as other people see and through the work that you do, and you are taking a lot of your energy, your creativity, your strength, your space-holding and pouring it into other people. So, how do you think about this larger project of literally helping other people care for themselves in relation to how you care for yourself?
Taylor:
This is such a wonderful question and such a deep question that I am constantly navigating. What comes to mind first is when George Floyd was murdered and I felt bad so deeply as a black woman, as someone who, like, that could have been my husband, that could have been my dad, that could have been my nephews, my uncles. And also knowing that I have this platform of people who are also hurting and wanting to support them as well in constantly holding this: I have this platform, I have this space, I have this organization that can facilitate care for others, and how am I also making sure that I’m poured in too.
And I remember asking myself that question then and feeling like I was resting and feeling like I was taking care of myself, and now looking back I can see even then I was too quick to want to do something for others without making sure that I was receiving and supporting. So, now in an entirely different context as I’m preparing for this book to launch, at the time of recording it’s not coming out until next year, and months ahead I started, like, I’m ADHD diagnosed, I started working with a psychiatrist who specializes in ADHD. I started working with a black woman therapist who specializes in ADHD and anxiety. I hired a coach of my own, even though I’m getting a lot of exchange coaching and things through the trainings that I’m a part of, having someone who is paid to support me. I could go on and on of the support that I’m bringing into my life both people that I pay but also being really intentional about the people that I’m relationship with and communicating what I need and what I will need. And it’s growth. It shows that I have grown because my tendency is immediately to care for the other person, and I just realized that only gets me so far. I will still approach a place of burn out. It may take me longer to get there, so now I’m really into, I talk about proactive and reactive responsive self-care. And I’m in a place where I have gotten in a stride of doing so much proactive self-care and I’m just reaping the benefits of it.
And I think especially as people who are care workers that proactive self-care is really important because we are often first responders, and we don’t know what is going to pop-up to respond to because so many things are happening in the world right now. So, the proactive is especially important for us because then we will have more to give, and it is often in our nature to give when there is something that the world feels like it is reacting to.
Alida:
One of the things that I admire so much about you and the work that you do is not just that you are authentic and creative and share your own experiences, but you take what often feels very nebulous or abstract and you put it into process. So, when we think about something like self-care or caring for other people, that can mean so many different things. And a lot of folks in the space will essentially give an answer like: “Well, you know, it’s different for everybody and it could be anything”. And while you allow for that space, you do actually develop detailed processes, practices, steps that people can follow and that allows for them to structure how they care for themselves, which of course can provide them with a roadmap for how to care for others. So, with that in mind I ‘d love for you to talk about what the Inner Workout process is.
Taylor:
Yes. So, at Inner Workout we talk about ourselves as being a self-care support system where self-care actually happens because so many of the people that we are speaking to are people like us who understand intellectually that taking care of yourself is something that is necessary, but in practice it does not always happen. So, we talk about five dimensions of well-being: the physical dimension, the energetic dimension, the mental and emotional dimension, the wisdom dimension, and the bliss dimension. And the work of Inner Workout is always coming back to listening within and responding in the most loving way possible. One of the keyways that we do that is through our Take Care assessment. It’s a 75 question assessment that kind of measures where you are at on each of these dimensions and then gives you some initial practices to start with. The book actually goes more into each of these dimensions and how you can work with them. But, I personally take care assessment about once a quarter and I use that to hone in on: “Oh! I see that sleep is an issue. What support can I create for myself around sleep?” or “Oh! This one is popping up.” It reminds me that my needs are dynamic. It’s not an original thought, but I like to remind myself and others that we are part of nature and as people who are able to be in different settings and be recording a podcast, and have all this software to support us it’s easy to forget that we are affected by the changing of the seasons outside and all these things around us and so, part of Inner Workout is not only helping people listen within to the changes that are happening within them, but also to notice how they are responding to the physical changes around them; how they are responding to everything that’s happening in what surrounds them. So, the way that we do that is, we have our newsletter, we have our podcast, we have workshops that support people, and then we have a coaching program that really goes into depth to help people do inner work and apply these things. That’s a whole other thing around what Inner Work is that I can get into if you want me to, but my goal is always to help people move from knowing about something to applying it in their lives in a way that is accessible and it’s actionable to them.
Alida:
You opened the door, so now I want to hear about it. What is Inner Work?
Taylor:
Yeah. Inner Work I think of it as the work that you do to become a fuller expression of yourself. I don’t really love language that’s about bettering yourself. I think a lot of that ends up bettering for who. You may have heard the question: “Whose imagination are we living in?” And a lot of times when we are talking about bettering ourselves we are trying to make ourselves more like a white man. And that’s not useful to me who is not a white man. When we are talking about Inner Work, we are talking about becoming more of who we are in our truest, fullest expression. And the way that we do that is first by making sure that we have that foundation of care and support. I see people who get really excited about wanting to work on themselves. You see this all the time at the beginning of the year, and then they bring themselves out undoing things that could be really beneficial for them because they haven’t made sure that they have the caring support, especially when they are digging into things that may bring up beliefs, or memories, or behaviors that are hard to wrestle with. From there we get into unlearning, so making sure that, I’d like to say we don’t start from the blank page. We think that we are starting from the blank page sometimes but a lot of times there is invisible ink of things that we’ve been told, things that people have told us are important, things that we’ve internalized. And so, there are a lot of things to unlearn before we can get into learning and becoming more aware of who we are and also who we want to listen to. It’s not that we can’t learn from other people. That’s never the point, but realizing that we have a lot of wisdom within, and we can use that wisdom to inform who we learn from and ultimately this journey of growth which is continual, like I said, we are always changing. There are always opportunities for growth. So, that’s kind of the trajectory of Inner Work, it’s unlearning, learning, and growing, and it continues. You might feel like you moved through on one topic, I certainly am feeling that right now. I’m in a season where a lot is shifting and changing and then all of a sudden like: Surprise! This thing that I thought I unlearned, there is more for me to unlearn! And there I am on the journey again.
Alida:
Staying on this thread a little bit more, in the work that you do coaching people what are some of those invisible ink phrases that come up over and over again?
Taylor:
Things that I hear a lot are: Should. I should be doing this. I have to. This language of obligation. Should, have to, this is the way it has to be, and it’s really binary thinking. It can be this way, or it can be that way and there is no other way, and I just have to be on this path. I have no options.
Alida:
It seems like we have these people we hold on to in our lives who may not be important to us, but who really impact and affect our decision making. And as you say it makes total sense that that would happen because we do care what people think and it’s interesting to interrogate who those people are in our minds. What I’m curious about is how you help people connect to not that vague “they” of those who can judge them, but the “they” of those who could hold space for them, support them. and offer them a sense of community.
Taylor:
And as you ask that question Alida, it reminds me of the whole other line as I work with a lot of other people who love to be the giver and feel like they, even by having a need, let alone voicing that need, they are taking up too much space. And so, there is a lot of work to be done around. I’m actually getting ready to lead a workshop later with a couple of my coachees on support and receiving support, and what are the narratives that block us from receiving support because I would argue that it’s hard to have true connection when the relationship is one-sided. So, if I am only giving in a relationship I might feel feelings of goodwill, I might feel grateful that I’m getting to make this impact, but it’s hard for me to feel fully connected because they are not seeing all of me.
And it’s not to say that every relationship needs to see all of you, but I notice for myself, especially over the years even people that I would have considered to be close friends, I struggled to tell them when I was having issues, when I needed support, when I needed a pep talk, when I needed someone to help me with something around the house or an errand. And I didn’t unlock the full connection until I was willing to ask for support. So, sometimes it’s a matter of practicing what is the conversation that you might have to initiate that support. Sometimes it’s helping people explore where they could go to find that support doesn’t already exist in their lives, but I find there are a lot of people who are willing to help you and connect with you and it’s a matter of being willing to ask the question or to do the thing that feels a little bit uncomfortable. And then you learn. You learn if it will be well received, and you can continue deepening or if it’s not and that’s not a place that’s going to be reciprocal. And it doesn’t mean that you need to end that relationship but it means that now you have the knowledge that this is not a place that’s going to fully fill you up.
Alida:
There is so much in that, especially in this idea of filling up or being nourished, which also comes back to your pillars of well-being and thinking about what’s happening in your body and your embodied state, but also your emotional and psychological state. I want to ask you a little bit more about this idea of care and a specific context which is: How did you learn how to take care of other people? And where did you learn it?
Taylor:
I don’t know that anyone has ever asked me that, Alida. It gets into nature and nurture things. I think I’ve always been aware of other people and that they have needs, and I tend to and we can talk about, is it socialization, is this realizing that this is a role that I can play to feel a part of a community or to feel well-regarded but for whatever adaptive reason, I learned that this is a role that I like to play and can be good at playing.
As I got older, I realized a lot of the things that I was drawn to: facilitation and coaching, and even building businesses, the types of businesses that I choose to build were centered around caring for other people and helping people connect to themselves and give themselves the care or the support that they need. So, I think the learning has been, I mean, like I went to school for a leadership and org effectiveness. So, I started learning there, but then you pick it up from all over the place. I just had a situation where one of my friends who has a chronic illness was, we were on a trip together and she had a flare up and I had seen a TV show and it was a children’s TV show, but it was just a nostalgic, comfort show. And I saw how they responded to their friend who had the same illness at that moment, and I was like: “Oh, I’m just going to embody them”. And I told her because I knew my friend also watched that show and it made her kind of giggle as we were taking care of her and getting her back to a place of stasis. So, yes, you can go through all the trainings and certifications but there is also something for just realizing: “Oh, it looks like they care for people really well”. Or someone asked me that question and I felt really seen. I want to have that in my arsenal of questions to ask other people. Yeah, it’s a lot of just learning by being a human in the world.
Alida:
And learning to be a really good observer is what I’m hearing from you, which brings up everything you are doing with the Process Report. Because not only do you observe others break down what they’ve done and then implement it yourself, but you are now doing that for other people. So, I want to know more about what you are doing with this new project.
Taylor:
Yeah! It’s funny because I love talking about self-care, personal development, and to the point that I was saying earlier about part of my decision to leave working a full-time job is that I am multi-faceted and I found that my identity felt like it was getting too tied up in talking about self-care. And I’m also someone who loves business and strategy, and these other sides of me, the creative process that I didn’t have a venue to explore. And I also just from the person in me who used to run operations at a start-up, it gets inefficient after a while when people are asking you the same questions and so, I wanted to tell people: “This is how I did it. This is what I learned. You don’t have to pay me a ton of money to find this out because there will be an archive that lives forever”. So, it’s partly me documenting and thinking how did I actually do this? What are my thoughts on this? And then part of it too is just a way to show other people that it is possible for them. It will not look exactly the same because it doesn’t look the same for anyone, but that there is possibility. And that someone who looks like them or has some overlap with them was able to do something that they think is interesting enough to sign up to a newsletter to read about.
So, yeah, it’s kind of my passion project and yeah, I’d love to see more people starting businesses, writing books, building things, and also the part about the process is important to you. It’s called The Process Report because I find I get caught up in external milestones and forget that why I’m doing these things is because I enjoy waking up in the morning and having these things on my plate and knowing that if I spend time, I will tangibly move the meter on something. The process is so important to me. I talk about the process being the prize and so, part of it too is showing people the moral of the story of a lot of the newsletters is “this takes time.” [Laugh] You have to be in it. And I want people to internalize that too. Nothing that I’ve done has happened over night. There has been a lot of tears and am I doing the right thing, and should I get a full-time job that have been a part of my journey too. And so, I want that transparency.
Alida:
One of the things that I’ve been following along with is that The Process Report does talk about your work writing a book. And so, I want to know a little bit more about the book, what’s in the book, the process of writing the book, all things book-related.
Taylor:
So, the book is called Inner Workout and I had kind of talked about it as strength finder [? 00:36:26] for self-care. So, I mentioned that Take Care assessment.
Until now you would have had to go to a workshop or work with me directly to deeply integrate the insights from your take care profile into your daily life and finding support for that season. The book breaks down the five dimensions of well-being in the fourteen subdimensions. It tells you what it can look like when you are working well with that dimension, what it can look like if that is a place that you are supposed to focus on right now or would benefit from focusing on right now. It’s got a ton of prompts and practices that you can do. It’s got mantras, it’s got people who seem to really embody this, whatever dimension or subdimension it is, and the vision map, the editor who came to me with this book had is that she pictured it as a resource that people could have on their nightstand. If they opened it up there would be on every page something beneficial that they could do to help them connect to themselves. It’s a really beautiful book. It’s really well-designed. I can’t take credit for it. I didn’t do any of the design work, but it’s something that hopefully people will love having as a reference point for them. And yeah, the process of writing the book. Oh! The last thing I guess I will add is there are lots of personal essays, there is a lot of my journey of what I struggled with in self-care that led me to doing the work of Inner Workout, not just the highs but also the things that were really difficult, and the things that I would love for you to learn from me so that you don’t have to learn it the hard way.
Alida:
As we close up today’s session, I just have one more question for you, which is there are going to be folks out there who aren’t care workers. In fact, it’s a relatively small community. So, if you were to give them counsel on how they could best offer care, what would be a core practice that you would encourage them to adopt to show up for the people in their lives?
Taylor:
So, for me it almost always comes back to asking questions and two, the idea of listening and responding it works for you but it also works with the people in your life, and I find that a lot of people, when they want to help, they jump into and this is the difference between the golden rule and the platinum rule. The Golden Rule, if you are familiar it’s like do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The Platinum Rule which is talked about is – Do unto others as they would have them be done unto them. And the only way that you can find out what people want and what people need is by asking a question. That can unlock so much. I’ve seen my relationships deepen when I have started asking people what they need and what would make them feel cared for and supported, instead of assuming that they want or need the same things that I need. And then over time you’ll find that people feel safe enough to share. Now with my closest relationships I don’t have to ask the question all the time. They’ll just tell me: “Hey, I could really use a pep talk right now!” Or “Can you help me process this thing?” Or “I need a few minutes to vent. Are you in a place where you can vent?” So, they come to me with those things because we have created this space where we’ve shown that we are willing to ask and give what is needed as long as we know what it is. So, start by asking the questions and genuinely waiting for the response and be willing to at least try to get what it’s asked of you if you are able.
Alida:
Thank you so much Taylor. Now, we are going to talk about all of the places you can be found, all the different things that you put out into the world, you’re welcome though to share what’s most top of mind for you today that you would like people to do. And it could be something that they do for themselves and you can always add on what you would like them to do in staying connected to you.
Taylor:
Yeah. I think what I would want people to do for themselves once you hit pause or this goes out, whatever music there is. That you take it back and you ask yourself: What do I need right now? And you do that for yourself. That is something that I talk about all the time and have to be reminded really that I need that too. I need that question. In terms of what you could do to stay connected, pre-ordering the Inner Workout book is something that I genuinely believe will be useful to you in furthering your self-care and also there are some really great things about relational care and community care and navigating what it looks like to care in the context of community. So, I’m sure that all will magically be I’m not sure you can get it but even if you don’t pre-order the book, I really do recommend that you take some time to ask yourself what you need and to give it to yourself with as much loving care is possible.
Alida:
What a lovely note to end on, Taylor! Thank you so much!
Taylor:
Thank you for having me.
Alida:
This podcast is a collaboration between Ethos and Alida Miranda-Wolff.
Episodes are available anywhere podcasts are found.
Your host is Alida Miranda-Wolff.
The opening theme Vibing Introspectively was written and recorded by Logan Snodgrass.
Production assistance was provided by Sonni Conway and Miera Garcia.
All sound editing and production was provided by Corey Winter.
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